Importance of genealogy tree

This is the first response I have seen to my question (which states the interrogative “do you”?) Therefore, your first sentence regarding “obsession with protecting information and preventing others from acquiring it”does not really apply in this case.

 

As I said, I just asked a question and I don’t know until I get to the archives what other answers I received, but I never said that I wanted to know how to protect my data from others to actually do it. However there might be some parts that I would wish to keep secret to protect still living individuals and I do not see what is wrong with that. But if my choice were to completely protect my data, why would I publish it on a website of all places? I really doubt that the “material genealogists acquire is almost always thanks to someone else having previously recorded…”.

 

We should be so lucky! It explains why we write messages after messages, letters after letters, belong to several NGs and read until our eyes ache, wait for weeks to obtain documents about relatives we have never known. But, we are indeed lucky if we find a friend among the people of NGs such as this one, residing thousands of kms away, who offer their help and give us a few more names and dates so we can link a few more individuals, and start all over again. I sense too much pride in your message since you qualify the people who “visit your website, help themselves and leave w/o aknowledging your efforts as ill-mannered”.

 

Yet, you are <”delighted when they contact you to say thanks for your efforts”, not for having provided them with knowledge (not least, some ‘education’). In both sentences, you use the word efforts as if your research had been made not out of love for your parents and ancestors but because you can now show your genealogy tree! If I misunderstood the meaning of your message, I offer you my apologies.

Family history research and services

If you consider someone’s request for genealogical information you have “mooching”, I would say, “Just don’t respond to the request”. If you want to share something you have or you WANT to do the research, tell them you need funds to make copies, etc.

 

Nobody can “mooch” if you don’t let them. I am always happy to share what I have with others, and I don’t expect a “thank you” because it was MY choice to share. If I have to spend money to answer their request, I let them know. If I can’t afford it, I just don’t do it. If I got a request without a SASE, I have the choice of answering or not. Please don’t make such a big deal out of something you can control.

 

Yes, there may be some rude people out there, but they are so few in numbers, I don’t think it accounts for much. Enjoy genealogy! I think this “mooching” thing is perspective. To some who would read this (certainly not me) they might conclude that a 6 year old receiving tons of letters, pictures, civil war medals, etc. might be a moocher.

 

How much were you giving back at 6 years old? Isn’t perspective wonderful. Share what you want, and take the rest to your grave. If we are lucky our survivors wont throw out all these treasures in the trash. Lucky are those of us to find someone in our line who has enough interest to value all the information we have gathered.

Multiple genealogy groups and Alsatian-oriented genealogy

I am sorry that you have had such a bad experience with the people that you have answered internet queries for – it seems so rude to ask a favor and not even thank the person when the favor is given. Not all of those who are on the internet doing research and posting queries are rude. Most of us are appreciative of all the help we get, and express that appreciation.

 

I would like to say one more thing in defense of others: please remember that not everyone who loves genealogy has the financial or physical resources to be able to visit all the research areas that you have been privileged enough to visit, and must depend on others to share information with. nd, what do I consistently see for my efforts to answer a genealogical query via Internet, AOL, etc? Nothing. Not a thank you. Not even a reply.

 

The sad truth about Internet genealogy is this: it is a haven for preppie moochers who want a “quick fix” of would-be-elitist genealogy –and who act as if the information is falling in their laps from purely thin air. John, I hope you wrote this on a “bad day”. Please don’t lump all genealogists together. It is true, I believe, that this modern generation do not show their appreciation in the old fashion way, but they are a minority when you consider the whole.I’m going to step in here and disagree with you immediately, because the argument put forth by the original writer is rubbish.

 

Yes, there are people who come in and want something for nothing, but if you think they are in the majority or that they are somehow more common here on the internet, you are barking up the wrong tree. I am one of the volunteer translators for the genealogical translation service TRANS and I also have been present on multiple genealogy groups and Alsatian-oriented genealogy mailing lists.

Internet genealogy and family research

From an early age I was interested in genealogy. My ads appeared in The Genealogical Helper far back as 1959 when I was 6 y/o. My families of interest include: Harris, Covington, Stewart, Miller, Moore, Haverhill, Whitaker, Scott, and hundreds more. I used to get tons of letters from very old persons then interested in their family history. They wanted to make a record and pass it on to their grandkids. They sent me quantities of pictures, tintypes, war ribbons and medals, civil war era, and even Rev War original correspondence. The letters used to be so well theorized, constructed, and written in longhand.

 

Such obvious good intentions and deep probing thought in the old folks’ letters. But…by about 1985 all these quality folk were deceased. Now, in reply to my GENEALOGICAL HELPER listing, I get…mooches. They don’t bother to send a SASE nor even to write out a letter in hand. No, they just print-up a form letter begging for free information. If one is stupid enough to answer these vacant pleadings, you consistently receive…no reply at all.

 

And, now there’s Internet. I’ve answered several EXTREMELY tough genealogical puzzles for some researchers –items that were based on my spending many, many thousands of hours researching at Salt Lake, Ft.Wayne, and Washington DC. Also, my replies were based on long ago materials sent to me in the 1960s –by the GREAT grandparents of these persons today. My knowledge base often derives from a massive concentration of file material which is found in NO genealogical library today.And, what do I consistently see for my efforts to answer a genealogical query via Internet, AOL, etc? Nothing. Not a thank you. Not even a reply.

 

The sad truth about Internet genealogy is this: it is a haven for preppie moochers who want a “quick fix” of would-be-elitist genealogy –and who act as if the information is falling in their laps from purely thin air. To this lot, it is all TOO easy. Like making a bundle by “investing” in all the Internet companies. Just as buying Amazon.com (Yahoo, AOL, eBay, etc) was a “no brainer” to the yuppie set, so it is with online Internet genealogy. Just set up a webpage and wait for the free info to cascade in. No such luck from this fella. I refuse to contribute to the Internet genealogy mooches.

Courses associated with family history

I am also not associated with anyone new group and I’m posting this on all the news groups and hope that all who are interested in genealogy and on line real time chat will join this channel and participate. It will take time to grow and hopefully you will join in and help out! Again I apologize to those of you who have already stopped in and I wasn’t there.

 

I do hope that you will come back and help make this channel a favorite to those who are into genealogy. If the hours 6 to 7 is not convenient write me email to and let me know what time is best for you and if I can I will try to be on what is convenient to you. The channel is growing after a couple of weeks and we have 7 AOPS (channel monitors). We have people from the UK, Holland, Australia, New Zealand, Norway as well as several from the US now joining the channel. So at times it is getting busy and is becoming more fun! I must also point out that we have helped so far about 15 people get a start in finding their ancestors.

 

This of course is our goal helping people especially newbies into genealogy! For those of you who are searching in the UK, we have a person from the UK who will be glad to answer your questions and in some cases help you to do basic searches in the UK. Sundays Between 7:00 and 9:00 PM E.S.Te will be on line to: Answer any questions you ask, he is good at UK vital Index Searches. He can tell you how, what to look for, what to avoid and if necessary can do it for for you if he has the time.

Genealogy forms and programs involved

Genealogy 1900 Census has been indexed for quite some time. While >we have been adding regularly to the rest of our US Census collection >(we just added the 1930 images), we have not made any claims as to when things will be added. Ok, must have misread your site – those little NEW next to 1870 and 1890 made me think 1900 was still coming. Anyway, I got an e-mail several weeks ago stating that the they were working on indexes and I thought it said 1900 and 1910, and that they would be adding indexes *monthly*.

 

So that’s where I got the idea that you guys actually had a schedule of updates happening – your e-mail to me trying to get me to subscribe to your census info relayed information to that effect. My early lines are in New England by 1630 and I have to say that I have found my subscription to genealogylibrary  to be invalualbe. While the data CD’s have been of limited use (but one of them did open my New England lines years ago), the family books contained in the library have been extremely usefull to my research.

 

I have subscribed to genealogylibrary since its inception and have subbed to Ancestry for about a year. If I had to give one of them up it would be Ancstry.com… Just my opinion. I started out with a free subscription to Genealogy when I bought FTM 9 and it was VERY helpful. I subscribe to Ancestry because I had the free service to Genealogy and had found what I could in those records at that time and had several hits in Ancestry’s database but needed the subscription for access.

 

I would love to have full subscriptions to both of them because they have different records but both of them charge the full amount instead of breaking into 2 or 3 payments and I can’t afford almost $200 to come out in a month and doing it monthly quickly gets more expensive than the yearly rate. So I stayed with the one I had already paid for. However, I know what to ask for on my birthday (g)!! Bottom line: Both offer different records and both services have been VERY helpful to me.

Genealogy :Family history research

I have a subscription to Ancestry.com, and I absolutely love it. Can’t imagine going back to family searching without it. I am considering a subscription to genealogy as well. In particular, I’m interested in subscribing to the 1900 Census index. Are they a good service? If so, are they OK with subscription renewals? I have a subscription to Ancestry.com, and I absolutely love it. Can’t imagine going back to family searching without it.

 

I am considering a subscription to genealogyas well. In particular, I’m interested in subscribing to the 1900 Census index. Are they a good service? If so, are they OK with subscription renewals? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. From what I have seen, no, they aren’t. In creating a “first name list” for a surname, they will pull in practically ANY word that appeared in a message in some genealogy forum (newsgroup, other genealogy sites’ message boards, etc.), even if that word is not a typical given name.

 

I’ve seen STATES’ ABBREVIATIONS for example, among such a list. They do provide an index to occurrances of names on their “WFT” CD set. However, note that what they do is effectively publish genealogies that were FREELY uploaded to them, and then CHARGE an amount beyond cost for the CD. If they only charged at cost, this wouldn’t be such an outrage. Also, many uploaders weren’t apparently aware of this practice.Where you start your search determines the scope of the results we will show you.

 

If you search from the main page at Genealogy, we’ll show you results from our entire search database regardless of whether the search result is in our CD collection, in one of our online data collections, or to any free resource we have (including our GenForum message boards, home pages or other Internet matches). However, we do categorize the matches so you can easily get to the matches in the data collection(s) that you own.

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Genealogy search engines and groups involved

I have a subscription to Ancestry.com, and I absolutely love it. Can’t imagine going back to family searching without it. I am considering a subscription to genealogy as well. In particular, I’m interested in subscribing to the 1900 Census index.

 

Are they a good service? If so, are they OK with subscription renewals? I have both ancestry.com and the 1900 census from Genealogy (used to also have the passenger records and the genealogy library). I can say that there is nothing more frustrating than using the 1900 census on genealogy.com. You can only search on last name or first/last, can only narrow searches by searching within a certain state (can’t search on a county within a state), can’t search on the birthplace of a person, and their site is SO FRIGGING SLOW that bringing up search results lists take forever (and then it takes forever x2 to see the census images, and this is on a high-speed connection).

 

Despite the various grumblings about the ancestry census indexes, they allow for very powerful searching (name [exact/soundex], state, county, age, birthplace), and are also generally pretty darn quick. I will definitely not be renewing my Genealogy.com subscription, and will just be crossing my fingers that Ancestry.com will index the 1900 census.My early lines are in New England by 1630 and I have to say that I have found my subscription to genealogylibrary.com to be invalualbe. While the data CD’s have been of limited use (but one of them did open my New England lines years ago), the family books contained in the library have been extremely usefull to my research. I have subscribed to genealogylibrary since its inception and have subbed to Ancestry for about a year. If I had to give one of them up it would be Ancstry.com… Just my opinion.

Genealogy and family history of Africa

Obviously there will be some overlap, because South Africa is part of Africa, and so South African genealogy will be on topic on both forums. The main difference is that the African group is wider, and is a place for discussing genealogy and family history in any country of Africa from the Cape to Cairo. The African genealogy group also has web features that some may find useful — for example a Calendar. Members of family history and genealogy societies can enter information about forthcoming events in the calendar, and any member of the group can see them.

 

The African Genealogy forum is defined geographically, not ethnically. It’s not intended for people researching African-American Genealogy (there are other forums for that), except when discussing known African ancestors. Discussion of the genealogy of families (of any ethnic group) whose members are now residing, or have resided, on the African continent is on-topic, as is the interaction between family history and general history, or social, economic, political or religious history. Obviously there will be some overlap, because South Africa is part of Africa, and so South African genealogy will be on topic on both forums.

 

The main difference is that the African group is wider, and is a place for discussing genealogy and family history in any country of Africa from the Cape to Cairo. The African genealogy group also has web features that some may find useful — for example a Calendar. Members of family history and genealogy societies can enter information about forthcoming events in the calendar, and any member of the group can see them.

 

The African Genealogy forum is defined geographically, not ethnically. It’s not intended for people researching African-American Genealogy (there are other forums for that), except when discussing known African ancestors. Discussion of the genealogy of families (of any ethnic group) whose members are now residing, or have resided, on the African continent is on-topic, as is the interaction between family history and general history, or social, economic, political or religious history.

Mormon genealogy researches and programs

Having said all this, I should also say that first, I do not yet know what server I’m going to place this site on, so I don’t have a URL to give you. Second, I’d appreciate it if, in the meantime, readers of this newsgroup would hold off on e-mailing me questions about the “perfect program” so I can get this thing done. I use five programs, but store my data on only one of them. Until the site is up, my answer to the “What’s the best program?” question will be “Try a bunch of them and see which one does what you want it to.”

 

Please be patient and let me get this thing done. After it’s posted you’ll be able to look at the charts, narrow your choice down to two or three programs, and test them to see which one’s GUI you like best. The charts will be pretty extensive, rating each free-standing GEDCOM-compatible program against a list of at least 500 features. When the site is up, you’ll see postings to this list with a subject line of “The Genealogical Software Review.”

 

I know suspense is rotten, but at least you won’t have to research for a year like I did before finding the right program. In two months, finding your favorite genealogy software will be a bit easier.TMG is my current program — and probably will remain so. Between TMG and UFT, TMG has MUCH more flexibility. The only downside of TMG — for me — was a steep learning curve — caused now, I realize — as much by my inexperience with genealogy as by anything else. TMG will do almost anything — and the customer support is the best in the business. I agree with this one, also having UFT nearly unused in some directory.

 

I was a ROOTS III user 1988-94, bought R4 and threw it in the bin. BTW, my comparison tables of 10 genealogy programs can be found here (and hopefully understood although in Norwegian, they are iconized…)