Local genealogy software programs

I have a father who is very passionate about genealogy, and, since I work as a web developer, I often try to develop tools for him, to present his reseach to our family. But, then I thought, why not make a tool/website, where a person could upload their gedcom file (or other format), choose between a couple of different layouts, and, voila, the family history would be online. The idea could off course also be expanded into different areas, like being able to use the online tool instead of your local genealogy software like ex. Brothers Keeper.

 

Sounds like you are trying to re-create the wheel. The tools are already out there on one genealogy site or another. Free webspace is also out there. Most ISPs also give you webpage space. Personally, I write my own web page using notepad–lots of pictures included. You say that the online data bases’ “main purpose of bringing people together” and this is absolute true–why else would we want to post our info (in whatever form) if not to connect with others. It really doesn’t have to be pretty it just needs enough info to help others identify a relationship with you.

 

My web page is not elaborate yet I am always being contacted by people who found a connection–which is why I wrote it in the first place. It is true that reports created by FTM, PAF, Legacy Deluxe, or what-have-you, together with the HTML that came to be based on them, are all so much lifeless prose — sentences that were programmed in, and it shows. It does not follow, however, that adding graphics will answer the charge. And that is, indeed, not the recommendation of the most noted critics of those reports.

 

What they do recommend is better, more explanatory writing — from scratch if necessary. (See e.g. Elizabeth Shown Mills and Gary B. Mills, “Editors’ Corner: Wizardry with Words,” _National Genealogical Society Quarterly_ 88 [2000]: 3.) In other words, if Mads and Dad insist on Web publication (or merely if Mads insists on it and Dad goes along), the least they should do is treat it first as a *writing* project. In my opinion good prose writing is a more desirable ability than attractive page designing, for the simple reason that the former stands to make a greater permanent contribution to genealogy.

 

With proper data organization, the result can be made very personal without the addition of graphics. And with an appropriate, flexible design, the graphics may perhaps be integrated in a manner coherent with the underlying schematic, rather than just dumped onto the page as others might dump a pile of facts. The odds of overall success are greater if the pages are handmade. A Web developer really ought to know how difficult it is to develop a utility that can integrate images with HTML as *intelligently* as he or she does on a regular basis in a variety of circumstances.

Genealogy: Family history research

A lot depends on the country involved – some countries are better documented than others for all sorts of reasons including the fact that damp, negelct, poverty and warfare do nothing for the survival of records. People are sometimes very lucky, but in most cases people with families originating in the UK (for example) are doing very well if they get back to the 17th century with properly checked and documented research.

 

We have all seen cases where people have attached their family to one of the richer ones (whose documents tend to survive better) because the names were the same, only to find later that the person they were claiming as an ancestor died in infancy, or had no children. I think that most of us are aware that one has to be careful with what one finds on the web, but this caution should also be extended to published (even old) material.

 

Printed for private circulation, London 1855. frontis coat of arms, plus other arms in text, large folding pedigree, the whole work printed on vellum, one of 75 copies printed. (An elaborate and expensive hoax: The seven other considerable families never existed.

 

The man who had it published was of uncertain origin. The man who is believed to have been his grandfather was a half witted small farmer known locally in Kells as ‘Laird Cowtart’. The place and castle of Coulthart never existed and the arms were borrowed from the Essex family of Colt and others.

Uses of genealogy records

It is important to remember the reasons why Church records were compiled in the first place. The Church was not doing this as an accomodation to the genealogy community. The number of requests for this information has grown exponentially, fueled by the internet and by computer support. Some churchmen simply do not have the time or the inclination to take on an additional burden, especially one that often serves people outside their own flock.

 

It’s not always a matter of “here’s $5 bucks. Now please look up my research subject.” It’s sometimes more a matter of “IF I find the time, I’ll try to accomodate your request.” I think that you are attempting to make the case that the Vatican supports record keeping for genealogical purposes. If that is what you were expressing, I think you may have read too much into the statement. Unlike the Mormons, the Catholic Church does not place a burden on the faithful to discover who their ancestors were.

 

Church records, such as baptisms, weddings, deaths, etc. are maintained primarily for statistical purposes and also because the reception of certain sacraments are dependent upon having first received other sacraments (i.e. the sacrament of Holy Orders, or priestly ordination, could not validly be given to an unbaptized person. The sacrament of Marriage would not be available to a man that had already received Holy Orders – at least not in the Western Church). Keeping records of baptisms and funerals gives an indication of whether a given parish is expanding or shrinking–important to know in terms of assigning priests to a given parish.

 

The use of those records for genealogy is not what they were created for. Not that I am opposed to their use for that purpose, mind you. I merely want to offer an explanation why some churches (especially Catholic churches) might be reluctant to allow access to their records by others. With regard to LDS, their leaders have consistently made derogatory statements about the Catholic Church. Anyone that has had a Mormon “missionary” knock at their door has probably heard some of the things that Mormons teach about Catholicism. Is it any wonder, having experienced “church bashing” from the Mormons, that some Catholic clerics have no desire to accommodate the LDS Church’s requests to have access to their records.

Genealogy search and history behind it

I’ve been doing the genealogy circuit on the net since it began. Before that, I wrote letters and sent queries to journals as John did. During both of these times, I visited libraries (Salt Lake & locals), court houses, State archives, churches, cemeteries, etc. In other words, I do my own research. I would like to offer a new perspective to those who berated John.

 

I would like to add that I have not received any ready made family genealogies on the net, nor have I located any proven ancestors. I have found some cousins by recognizing their brick walls as part of my family and sharing my research with them. Many of these cousins graciously shared their descendant data with me. I am pleased that I had data to share with them, except in a few cases such as the one below. A net located “cousin”, with whom I shared a great deal of my research, recently asked me to send her – quickly – anything new I had found.

 

When I asked about the rush, she stated she would be publishing a hard copy book in Jan 99 (to honor her mother) that would include my research of several generations of our ancestors which I had shared with her. This info was found by my research alone. (When she first contacted me, she couldn’t go beyond 3 generations and didn’t know names or even what county to search for her ancestors. However, that is irrelevant since she doesn’t do research.) I objected to her using my research for her book, reminding her of something I had already told her – that I am working on a book on that particular family, which is why I did the research.

 

Her response to my objection was that I should not worry, she did not plan to mention my name in her book! Comforting thought, she plans to publish my material and to take credit for my research! This research was some of the most difficult I’ve ever done and took years of searching for the right location and then reading yards of microfilms; there is no question that I am the only one to do it. I don’t feel good about her plans.

Family history tree and its significance

I have a subscription to Ancestry, and I absolutely love it. Can’t imagine going back to family searching without it. I am considering a subscription to genealogy as well. In particular, I’m interested in subscribing to the 1900 Census index. Are they a good service? If so, are they OK with subscription renewals? I have both ancestry and the 1900 census from Genealogy.com (used to also have the passenger records and the genealogy library).

 

I can say that there is nothing more frustrating than using the 1900 census on genealogy. You can only search on last name or first/last, can only narrow searches by searching within a certain state (can’t search on a county within a state), can’t search on the birthplace of a person, and their site is SO FRIGGING SLOW that bringing up search results lists take forever (and then it takes forever x2 to see the census images, and this is on a high-speed connection).

 

Despite the various grumblings about the ancestry.com census indexes, they allow for very powerful searching (name [exact/soundex], state, county, age, birthplace), and are also generally pretty darn quick. I will definitely not be renewing my Genealogy subscription, and will just be crossing my fingers that Ancestry.com will index the 1900 census.Yes, actually I did. And with the names I was looking for I found tons of references. That is WHY I subscribed to it. Unfortunately, they were references to the same people over and over again.

 

For instance, I’m trying to trace back past a George Matlack. I get 16 matches in your Genealogy Library. In your World Family Tree, I get 137 matches. So sure, I sign up. That’s 137 chances I’ll get something useful. All I got was the same information several times over, none being the George Matlack I was particularly looking for. If you do then subscribe you do have 7 days to cancel. And I utilized this option the first time around. I didn’t cancel the Family Tree because “more are added monthly”.

Researches offered by genealogy

Why in this day and age do some companies that allow you subscribe online do not give the option of unsubscribing on line as well. Might work for those that live in USA but does not work on the otherside of the world as one will get the tipickle Automated Answering machine or be placed on hold The following is Genealogy  policy; How do online subscriptions work and what is the automatic renewal policy?

 

All monthly subscriptions are “auto-renewing,” meaning that we will bill your credit card each month, on the anniversary of the calendar day of your subscription, until you cancel. If the calendar day on which you subscribed does not exist in the following month(s), the billing date will be the date closest to the subscription anniversary date. For example, if you subscribe on June 10, your next billing date is July 10. If you subscribe on March 31, your next billing date is April 30. For billing purposes, we will keep your credit card information on file and may ask you to update it. You may cancel your monthly subscription prior to the next billing date to avoid future charges by calling 1-800-548-1806 (24 hours per day, 7 days per week).

 

You may also convert your monthly subscription to an annual subscription anytime. If you have had a subscription for more than 7 days and you choose to cancel, your access to the subscription will continue until the next billing date. IMHO the above policy stinks and it is about time it changed. The above company appears to not listen to their customers, as most business owners know “The customer is all ways right no matter how wrong the customer may be because the customer is what keeps the bussines going”.

World Family Tree and genealogy researches

I wasn’t impressed. I find it very difficult to get around the site. I bought the Genealogy Library, I believe it was, and could not find a single item there. I cancelled after just a few days. At the time I cancelled, they were having a sale on their World Family Tree, $10 off for the year subscription, so I said yes to that. Been totally worthless – will not resubscribe. Would cancel now if I didn’t loose the $$ for the rest of my subscription.

 

I’m disappointed that they don’t have indexes for 1900 and 1910 census as that would really be useful to me. Genealogy claims that they will be getting such indexes over the next few months, so when I see that happen, if ancestry hasn’t done the same, I will have no choice but to get a month’s subscription to genealogy. I wasn’t impressed. I find it very difficult to get around the site.  I bought the Genealogy Library, I believe it was, and could not find a  single item there. I cancelled after just a few days. At the time I cancelled, they were having a sale on their World Family Tree, $10 off  for the year subscription, so I said yes to that.

 

Been totally  worthless – will not resubscribe. Would cancel now if I didn’t loose the $$ for the rest of my subscription. Before you subscribed to either Genealogy Library or the World Family Tree did you perform some searches on names to see if any name you are searching for was listged in either subsctiption? If you didn’t, how can you be disappointed that they didn’t contain any information that you found useful? I’d always recommend that you search before you subscribe. If you do then subscribe you do have 7 days to cancel.

 

I’m disappointed that they don’t have indexes for 1900 and 1910 census as that would really be useful to me. Genealogy claims that they will be getting such indexes over the next few months, so when I see that happen, if ancestry hasn’t done the same, I will have no choice but to get a month’s subscription to genealogy.Genealogy.com’s 1900 Census has been indexed for quite some time. While we have been adding regularly to the rest of our US Census collection (we just added the 1930 images), we have not made any claims as to when things will be added. Again, though, before you subscribe, why don’t you do some searches to see if anyone you are looking for if found in any of the indexed censuses we offer.

Significance and uses of genealogy search engines

The archival references to divorces will sometimes speak of “illiquid cases” or “opposed applications”, and sometimes there will be both. Make sure you order the right ones. They can be quite useful. Sometimes you can really get the dirt on your ancestors from these things – private detectives’ reports on how many times they committed adultery, where and with whom, for example. Also, names and ages of minor children and who got the custody.

 

If you still want a marriage certificate (or birth certificate), you need to apply to the Department of Home Affairs, Private Bag X114, Pretoria, 0001. Before they can issue a certificate, they usually want to know the kind of information you probably hope to get from the certificate. Marriages were registered nationally from 1923 to 1976, and after 1994. Between 1976 and 1994 some “homeland” marriages may have been registered separately.

 

Before 1923 registrations were in the different provinces, and before 1910 in the different colonies. Before 1902 it was in the different republics and colonies. You still apply to the same place, but bear in mind that older registers are kept in the archives, and for a certificate to be written they have to be transferred from the archives to the Department of Home Affairs and then returned. This can take a long time. Also check the information above under “Birth Certificates” on how to find out if any of the marriage registers have been filemed by the LDS Church.

 

Before about 1895 in many places marriages were only recorded in church registers. The situation is a lot more complex than described above, and the complexities are things you can ask about on the list, but the general description should give you some idea of the kind of questions that might be worth asking.

Genealogy software development

Here are interesting ‘bits and pieces’ (otherwise known as ‘features’) in the different genealogy applications worldwide. I have discussed different concepts with developers since the late CPM+ and early DOS days. Just what do you have in mind? The current newsgroup s.g.computing does seem the appropriate place for such discussion even if there is sometimes not enough response.

 

Personally, I don’t myself using yahoo groups or google groups or whatever, they are yet some other system to keep track of. I doubt that there is enough interest to justify a new newgroup. Perhaps one way to approach the matter would be to adopt a title prefix such as [DEV] within the current newsgroup. The people who participate do not need to be programmers (I’m not), but >> people who are willing to discuss what kinds of software would meet the needs of genealogists, where the gaps are, and how the gaps can be filled.

 

If this message rings any bells with you, then if possible, join soc.genealogy.computing and respond there, or if you really think there is a need for a mailing list on the topic, and I’ll start one on YahooGroups. The current newsgroup s.g.computing does seem the appropriate place for such discussion even if there is sometimes not enough response. Personally, I don’t myself using yahoo groups or google groups or whatever, they are yet some other system to keep track of. I doubt that there is enough interest to justify a new newgroup. Perhaps one way to approach the matter would be to adopt a title prefix such as [DEV] within the current newsgroup.

 

I agree that this is the best place to discuss it, or at least the best existing place. A couple of other people have e-mailed me privately, expressing interest in a YahooGroups forum. XDon’t confuse YahooGroups and Google Groups. Google Groups is just a way of accessing newsgroups from the web, with a ratrher clunky and difficult-to-use user interface, but useful if you haven’t got access to a decent news server. YahooGroups provides a mailing list, a place to store and exchange files, databases that can keep track of projects and more. I can see that both that and this ng could be useful.

West Indian ancestored genealogy

There is an established precedence and interest in the study of West Indian ancestored genealogy on the Internet, as well-evidenced by the discussions and queries concerning this topic that regularly appear in cluster groups on commercial online networks, bulletin boards, and in limited discussions in various newsgroups in the “soc.” and “alt.” hierarchy.

 

However, the discussions and queries tend to be scattered among numerous electronic forums, and researchers are unsure where to post questions and comments concerning the West Indies to reach others who share their interest, often posting in several different places as a result. Presently, there is no place of concentration where such people can register their queries and remarks, and be assured that they will be read by the many who are interested world-wide, rather than by the few who may by chance encounter West Indian genealogical postings in electronic forums which are focused on other parts of the world.

 

The number of nations whose sons and daughters added to the population of the West Indies is extremely numerous: former colonial powers including England, France, Spain and The Netherlands; as well as dozens of countries in Europe, Africa, the Americas and Asia. Soc.genealogy.west-indies has the potential to serve as the gathering point for researchers interested in the approximately 30 countries which today comprise the West Indies, and to provide a forum for people to share queries and insights regarding the genealogy of the West Indies.

 

The focus of soc.genealogy.west-indies is on exchanging information on the genealogy and family history of West Indian ancestored people world-wide. This group is designed to focus on West Indian genealogy, but since the colonisation of many of the West Indian islands had a social and financial impact on the colonising nations, discussion may widen to reflect this aspect. Discussion is open to anyone with an interest in West Indian genealogy including, but not limited to: people who do live, did live, or may have lived in any of the West Indian Islands; colonists; voluntary immigrants; involuntary immigrants (such as slaves); emigrants and their descendants. Researchers wishing to trace their slave ancestors prior to their arrival in the West Indies will find that soc.genealogy.african is more suited to their postings.